Clarification
It seems like I failed to explain the concept of "power relations"
hmmm
I wasn't talking about gender discrimination or inequality.
Privilege: some advantages that are so subtle and so integrated in our social pattern that we don't even realize they are privileges. These just come with being born into a specific class, race, gender, religion, ethnicity etc... Lets say we were not talking about gender but talking about race, (I'm not racist or trying to be racist in any form or way) the white race is privileged in a subtle sense that we don't realize exists. For example it's a common practice to say "white" people and people of "colour", as if the white race is one group and the rest are another group. Why don't we ever say "brown" people and people of "colour" which would include the white race as well?
Oppression: is not your regular straight out deprivation of rights... as I mentioned earlier it's more of a benign version of oppression, an assumed disadvantage. If we look at the power relation between religions and not gender an example that comes to mind is Muslims, no Muslims are not the oppresser but the oppressed. How so? Christianity or entire Christian nation was not blamed for Hitlers actions but when it comes to a "Muslim" performing an unpleasent task the entire Muslim nation is blamed for it. Or another one would be of a Muslim woman in hijab (veil) given the identity of an uneducated, submissive, oppressed by husband or father type of person when she is not (lets not get into this for now I might write a ten page essay on Muslim women if i start)
These two just come with identity.
The self may resist privilege and oppression but it can not simply be shrugged off because identity is a matter of being done to not just doing.
It's not a matter of "back-home" .. Maybe power relations are more prevalent "back-home" but what I am talking about is universal. How many women have we seen in powerful positions in politics? Queen Elizabeth? but wasn't she the one who claimed to possess "the heart and stomach of a man" and people described her as described her as having "a man's brain". Margaret thatcher was repeatedly called "manly". Why? Can't a woman be strong enough to be in power?
It's just how we identify women and I think being identified that way is a woman's strength. Therefore I say women like the enticement. I don't have to lift anything heavy (even if I know I'm strong enough to lift it) because some man will do it for me. If I'm getting a diamond out of being a woman then why not? If I'm being treated like a princess then why not? Why should I work just for the sake of equality (does not include self satisfaction and other reasons) if I'm being provided for?
You see what I mean? benign version of oppression....
I don't even think anyone will read all of the above!!
hmmm
I wasn't talking about gender discrimination or inequality.
Privilege: some advantages that are so subtle and so integrated in our social pattern that we don't even realize they are privileges. These just come with being born into a specific class, race, gender, religion, ethnicity etc... Lets say we were not talking about gender but talking about race, (I'm not racist or trying to be racist in any form or way) the white race is privileged in a subtle sense that we don't realize exists. For example it's a common practice to say "white" people and people of "colour", as if the white race is one group and the rest are another group. Why don't we ever say "brown" people and people of "colour" which would include the white race as well?
Oppression: is not your regular straight out deprivation of rights... as I mentioned earlier it's more of a benign version of oppression, an assumed disadvantage. If we look at the power relation between religions and not gender an example that comes to mind is Muslims, no Muslims are not the oppresser but the oppressed. How so? Christianity or entire Christian nation was not blamed for Hitlers actions but when it comes to a "Muslim" performing an unpleasent task the entire Muslim nation is blamed for it. Or another one would be of a Muslim woman in hijab (veil) given the identity of an uneducated, submissive, oppressed by husband or father type of person when she is not (lets not get into this for now I might write a ten page essay on Muslim women if i start)
These two just come with identity.
The self may resist privilege and oppression but it can not simply be shrugged off because identity is a matter of being done to not just doing.
It's not a matter of "back-home" .. Maybe power relations are more prevalent "back-home" but what I am talking about is universal. How many women have we seen in powerful positions in politics? Queen Elizabeth? but wasn't she the one who claimed to possess "the heart and stomach of a man" and people described her as described her as having "a man's brain". Margaret thatcher was repeatedly called "manly". Why? Can't a woman be strong enough to be in power?
It's just how we identify women and I think being identified that way is a woman's strength. Therefore I say women like the enticement. I don't have to lift anything heavy (even if I know I'm strong enough to lift it) because some man will do it for me. If I'm getting a diamond out of being a woman then why not? If I'm being treated like a princess then why not? Why should I work just for the sake of equality (does not include self satisfaction and other reasons) if I'm being provided for?
You see what I mean? benign version of oppression....
I don't even think anyone will read all of the above!!
posted by Desert Rose at 10:30 PM
16 Comments:
well "ppl of color" isnt used to describe the white bcus technically white is colorLESS
:P
but i see ur point. tho i dont agree with all of it- if im strong enough to lift a heavy object (and knowing me- im not, but let "assume" that i am) i wudnt want some man to pity me, assume me to be weak and do it for me. now lets generlaize- if i ever want to take on a role that I know im strong enough for, i wouldnt want some man to come up and 'relieve' me of it simply bcus he thinks im weak.
and if u can write like this what in the name of all thats holy are u doin in MATH?!?!?!
lol
saira- i was thinking of the same thing when i wrote that last comment
u know what they say.....gr8 minds and all
:P
hey!
i NEVER make fun of you! i dont even know where that insult comment came from! i must say i was quite taken aback actually :P
i really am nice, i swear!
*angel face*
haha.. Zah and saira, just pick up the phone and TALK to each other (jeez!)
and yes, saman, i didn't read a single word (just the 1st and last sentences)...
Hi kriing!
Saira and Mona-zzah:
1. Why am I not in English? Well because the writing is not that great, I use big words and confusing ideas to make the writing sound intellectual when it really isn't ;) ... Besides I can't write on demand, when I write it has to be what I want to write, stuff that makes sense to me not to proffs and I like to write on Socio-political issues.
Mehreen has read my english 101 essays, they are not a pretty sight, ask her. Math makes sense and is logical.
2. You guys prooved my point, there are women in power behind a male puppet therefore we carry the burden at the bottom of the see-saw to let the light airy men be at the top :) .... you wouldn't want a man to lift the heavy object but usually they will come and help just because they identify you as a woman.
ok now im more confused than ever
thx saman! im "supposed" to be studying biomed but now ill be thinkin abt THIS!
:P
how was beacons of light and tanzania?
thanx :) wonders of paint, brings the true artist out of you ;)
I won't continue this argument since there is no right or wrong to it....
Just wanted to make a public announcement:
My general policy when I see sisters caryying things is to encourage them. Even if they're not carrying something, I try to get them to carry something. Now now, this isn't because of some kind of inherent laziness or the tendency to exploit, it's a honourable desire to give sisters the ability to develop themselves and take charge etc.
Saira - Karl Rove - The Architect
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/architect/view/
waka, I think it's just called bad manners!!
Confucius say: She who has funny, crewd, elementary-style Microsoft Paint display picture should not be paid attention to.
umm... it's "CRUDE" not "CREWD"... glad UR not in english!
What sharp beady eyes you have young one. The skilled follow the rules of English well while revolutionaries lay down their own rules. In every such "error" there are hidden meanings for those who look. "Crewd" is actually a sinister play on the word "lewd", thus combining the 'appropriate' word of crude with the notions tied to another all for the sake of taking jabs at the Princess. I find her painting lewd you see.
Regardless. *sigh* how often I feel like Rumi fruitlessly debating poetry with 50 Cent.
The end point is that tis (crucify me for that one too why don't you :P) not about the spelling, it is about the soul. See beyond the insignificant trees to the forest which grabs you by the throat, begging for attention.
I'm done now :|. Much sleep I must. Fragments good. Mehreen spelling nazi she be.
;) :) :P
"wonders of paint, brings the true artist out of you"
sounds like an ad saman....now only $3.99! call in now to get a pack of 'creativity' for free!
;)
Saman WISHES she could be as pretty as the 'crewd' drawing of herself.
Oh Keep quiet!
I don't wish to look like or be anyone other than who I am. Alhamdulilah for the way Allah made me. I'm not pretty and I don't care...
I know all this doesn't fit in here and I'm not taking the last comment seriously but I just felt like saying :)
lol
saman download the song "princess in disguise", i dunno who its by and yes it is a gora song, but it good, and everytime i listen to it i want to send it to you...
take home msg: download it. NOW.
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